The Elks

Update

With some help from some great people on a genealogy forum I have finally found some info on the Elk family and their connection to Romany Gypsies.

Below is what has been found. Just need to fit it all together now.

MARRIAGE :~

September Quarter 1890.

Frederick Elks. ~ Louisa MOORE.

Market Harborough District.

Ref No’. 7 a. 33.

Harriet ELKS age 21 together with John George ELKS age 1y 10m admitted 7 Dec 1869.  Admitted from the parish of Greenwich, destitute.  Single, needlework, John George was her child.

Page 88 shows their discharge 1 Jan 1870.

Page 113 shows them entering again 28 Apr 1870.  Destitute, a needlewoman and her child.

Page 123 male child of Harriett ELKS born in the workhouse 10 Jun 1870

John George Elks
1911 census
male
43
Birthplace.....Greenwich N.London

Birth of Florence Harriet Lilian Elks
Poor law union Cheshire
16 Mar 1890
Father John George Elks

1901 census

John Elks 33 b Greenwich Kent  gen labourer
Ellen M Elks 28 b Dover
Florence H Elks 11 b Frodsham Cheshire
Charles E Elks 8 b Manchester
Ellen L Elks 5 b Southampton
George M Elks 4   ditto
RG13 Piece 1056 Folio 151 Page 42

Marriages June qtr 1889   
Ellen Margaret A Daniells   Alverstoke  2b 969   
John George Elks    Alverstoke  2b 969

index of the 1868-1870 admission/discharge register the following ELKS

Elizabeth ELKS page 42
Harriett ELKS page 83 and 113
ELKS (born) page 123
ELKS Eliz'h?? page 47
ELKS Harriett?? page 88
ELKS Harriett page 128

1901 Census RG13 piece 3002 folio 36 page 17 ',
Living at:- 51, Hawkesbury Road, Leicester

ELKS, Frederick H Head Married M 30 1871 Bricklayers Labourer Grenwick London
ELKS, Louisa Wife Married F 31 1870 Portobello Willenhall Staffordshire
ELKS, Kate E Daughter Single F 10 1891 Husbands Bosworth Leicestershire
ELKS, Charles H Son Single M 8 1893 Husbands Bosworth Leicestershire
ELKS, William E Son Single M 6 1895 Husbands Bosworth Leicestershire
ELKS, Florence M Daughter Single F 2 1899 Leicestershire
ELKS, Ethel L Daughter Single F 0 (3 MOS) 1901 Leicestershire

Page 83 of the Greenwich Union register mentioned

Harriet ELKS age 21 together with John George ELKS age 1y 10m admitted 7 Dec 1869.  Admitted from the parish of Greenwich, destitute.  Single, needlework, John George was her child.

Page 88 shows their discharge 1 Jan 1870.

Page 113 shows them entering again 28 Apr 1870.  Destitute, a needlewoman and her child.

Page 123 male child of Harriett ELKS born in the workhouse 10 Jun 1870

Birth of Florence Harriet Lilian Elks
Poor law union Cheshire
16 Mar 1890
Father John George Elks

John George with his family in 1901 at Southampton and 1911 Edmonton London.

Marriage from FreeBMD;
John George ELKS, June 1889, Alverstoke, 2b 969
On the same page is Ellen Margaret A DANIELLS

1891 Fred is with Father in Law Peter MOORE born c 1813, Ashill, Norfolk. Living in Husbands Bosworth, Leics.
Down as born c 1868, Essex
They have a 5week old Kate Elizabeth with them.
RG12/2492/23/21

Royal Navy Service record for George John (note switch of first names) ELKS 146312 born 24 Jan 1869 Deptford

1871 Chadwell St Mary, Essex

John GODDARD head mar 30 lab b.Edmonton Middlesex
Harriett wife 23 b.Sneinton Nottinghamshire
William son 9 b.Orsett Essex
George son 11m b.Greenwich
Frederick son 3 b.Greenwich
Elizabeth HAYSOM sister unm 18 b.Sneinton Nottinghamshire
RG10/1654 folio 57 page 5

(the ages of George (John) and Frederick look to be a bit muddled)
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1881 North Cray, Kent

John GODDARD head mar 44 ag lab b.Edmonton Middlesex
Harriett wife 32 b.Sneiton Nottinghamshire
William son 20 ag lab b.Orsett Essex
George son 13 b.Greenwich
Elizabeth dau 7 b.Tilbury Essex
Jane dau 4 b.Rotherhithe Surrey
Flora dau 2?? b.Tilbury Essex
RG11/859 folio 21 page 19
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1881 Chadwell St Mary, Essex

Elizabeth GODDARD head wid 63? green grocer b.Orsett Essex
James GODDARD son unm 27 gardener b.Chadwell St Mary Essex
Frederick GODDARD grandson 10 b.Deptford Kent
+ some lodgers
RG11/1754 folio 60 page 17
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1851 Snenton Nottinghamshire

Sarah ELKS head wid 53 born (not known)
Harriett dau unm 25 lace winder b.Snenton Nottinghamshire
Harriett grandau 3 b.Snenton
HO107/2130 folio 222 page 22
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Harriot Elks b: 4 Dec 1825 Lenton Nottingham
Father Joseph Elks
Mother Sarah

Joseph Elks married Sarah Plumb
10 Jan 1825  Radford Nottingham

Sneinton St Stephen burial
13 Dec 1857, Sarah ELKS, Henry Street, age 59

Sneinton was in Radford district.

Radford St Peter burials
20 Jun 1834, Hannah ELKS, Radford, age 74
20 Jul 1842, Mary ELKS, Radford, age 48

The burial for Mary Ithat was found probably this 1841 census record:
Eyre St, Sneinton, Notts (HO107/867, book 9, f 19, p 32)
Paul Elks, 40, Publican, N[ot born in Notts]
Mary Elks, 45, N

Also, there's only one ELKS baptism in the whole county, and it looks to be the daughter of Joseph & Sarah:

Lenton baptism
04 Dec 1825, Harriot, dau of Joseph & Sarah ELKS, father Framesmith

and this is Harriet's marriage

Sneinton St Stephen
04 Jan 1858, John HAYSOM & Harriet ELKS

Radford St Peter Burial
20 Apr 1836, Thomas ELKES, of Sneinton, age 74

Perhaps the husband of Hannah?

1841 census: Willoughby St, Lenton, Notts (HO107/858, f 28, p 8 )
Sarah Elks, 40, Ind[ependent], Y[es born in Notts]
Harriet Elks, 15, Ind, Y

1851 census: Henry St, Sneinton, Notts (HO107/2130, f 222, p 22)
Sarah Elks, Head, Widow, 53, not known
Harriett Elks, Daur, U, 25, Lace winder, Notts Snenton
Harriett Elks, Grandaur, U, 3, Notts Snenton

Harrriet Elks, aged 22, single woman, Snenton Elements, was charged with stealing 21bs. weight of silk, the property of her master, Mr. S. W. Moore, of Hockley-mill.

Thu 16 Aug 1849 Nottinghamshire Guardian

thomas ElKs and Thomas Smith were charged with stealing a pair of boots, the property of Thomas Legg, bootmaker, Radford.

Fri 09 Oct 1868 Nottingham Guardian

Everett Plumb, horse dealer, Nottingham, was charged with cruelty to a horse at Belgrave on tbe 30th June.

Sat 29 Aug 1885 Leicester Chronicle

Everett Plumb, of Billesdon, horse dealers, with being drunk and disorderly at that place on the 29th of June.— Sergt.

Sat 11 Jul 1885 Leicester Chronicle

Everett Plumb, a gipsy, was charged by P.c. Gibson with allowing his horses to stray on the highway

Fri 01 Feb 1867 Nottinghamshire Gardian

 Nottingham Guardian Newspaper Thursday 16 Aug 1869

At Nottingham County Court

Saturday – (Before the Mayor and J. Hadden, Esq.)
A DISHONSET OVERLOOKERS.---- Harriett Elks, aged 22, single woman, Snenton Elements, was charged with stealing 2lbs. Weight of silk, the property of her master, Mr S. W. Moore, of Hockley-Mill.  Police constable Cliff said: At half past two o’clock yesterday afternoon, I went into the shop of a general dealer, named Dodd, and saw John Coney selling some spun silk.  I asked him where he had got it from, and he said he had brought it of a woman living at Snenton, and that he had given her 1 ¼ d. a pound for it.  I took a bit of it to Mr Moore’s, and found that it corresponded with that used in the Mill.  I afterwards went to the house of prisoner’s mother, in Snenton Elements, where I found a quantity of the same material.   The prisoner, who was a overlooker at the mill, admitted taking the silk, which she said had got ravelled on the bobbins, and she had cut it off so the girls might not stop in the Mill all night to put the silk right. She was remanded until Monday.
Sarah Elks, mother of the last prisoner, was charged with receiving the silk.  She admitted that her daughter had brought silk home from time to time, although she had repeatedly cautioned her not to do so.  She was discharged.

Monday - (Before the Mayor and Mr J. Wells, Esq)
REMANDAD CASE- Hannah Elks, remanded from Saturday was discharged, Mr. Moore declined to prosecute.